Cops Like These Guys Need to Be Shot & Killed! (Video)

[WaTcHeR]

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[WaTcHeR]

I love what one woman says on the video:

"I'm an Annie Oakley and if you come fool with me or my family, I'm going to let you have it!"

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That goes for all you cops out there! If you mess with my rights, you will get it right between the eyes. I'd go after every member in you family as well. That's not a threat, that's a whole hearted promise.

So next time you cops need to decide what's more important, my rights or your life? I've made my decision.

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[spd49]

Watcher,

I have gone on record many times that I favor videotaping of police encounters with citizens. If you are not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to fear. I try to treat all people I encounter professionally and with respect. I also will not hesitate to use reasonable and justifiable force to make an arrest when I have to do so. I think your tactic of using a telephoto lens when taping is wise. This way you do not distract the officer but you still record the encounter. If you were to come in to the area while I was conducting business, I would simply summon an additional officer to watch you while my attention was elsewhere. That way you can record the encounter and I can be safe. Your rights and my safety are both respected.

When I call a person a friend that is because I like and respect them. It seems that your idea of friendship revolves around what you can get from a person to further your own agenda.

I find it interesting that you referred to Mr. Kamau. I am a regular visitor to his site and have communicated with him by e-mail. Both he and his father served their communities for many years as Peace Officers. I am willing to wager that he would not agree with your views regarding killing police officers who commit misconduct and including their families in the death sentence. Here's an idea-If a police officer is accused of misconduct he/she should be investigated fairly(Internal Affairs, Civilian Review Board, Special Prosecutor or all of the above) If the investigation finds that there is probable cause that a crime was committed then charges should filed and the officer should be indicted. The officer should go before twelve good citizens who will decide his/her guilt or innocence. If the officer is found guilty then they should go to jail. If they are found not guilty of the crime but responsible for violating department policy then they should be fired or suspended. If they are exonerated, then they should return to work.

I think you make statements about killing police officers to sound tough. In my experience, people who talk about fighting seldom do it. Most fights that I have been in were with career criminals, people who are high on drugs or alcohol or those who are mentally unstable. I have never met a true anti-government cop killer. I hope I never do. If I do and they take my life I will go to my reward knowing I lived a good life and helped a few people along the way. I will also be confident that my brothers and sisters in blue will apprehend the killer. Twelve good citizens will convict this killer. He/She will then spend the rest of their lives in prison. My advice is to stop with the silly threats and work to fight police misconduct by staying within the law. Hope to hear from you soon.

spd49

[WaTcHeR]

I really don't picture Mr. Kamau allowing cops into his home to steal his firearms, without putting up some type of fight. You don't think he would take the life every cop he could to protect his family and rights? I don't think Mr. Kamau if he was walking down the street and saw a cop beating an unarmed person half to death would turn his back. If Mr. Kamau had a gun on him, what you think he do? Why not write and ask him? I don't think you or I really have a clue to what Mr. Kamau is capable of doing or what he would do.

It's a shame that Mr. Kamau and his father didn't get the respect from the "white" police officers, when they were cops. Then again the South never has had respect for a man of color to have authority. Hell even today I'm sure that 90% of active LEO's have no respect for Mr. Kamau. Mr. Kamau is a cops worse nightmare, he can bring out the ignorance of cops and prove it on tape.

Stay within the law? Who's law? The law is made for one reason and that is to protect the government and it's stooges we call cops. All throughout history laws had to be bent "cops are good at that" or broken to make changes for the better.

Too many deals are made with cops that break the law. Who makes these deals? The government does. Too many cops are let off easy by D.A.'s, prosecutors and judges. I wonder why the special treatment? You want proof? PoliceCrimes.com has thousands of stories of cops being let off easy by the government and this is just in the last few years.

History as shown that our government and great leaders of this country have lied and broken laws. Are you saying that I can't be an equal to them? If you're the President and break the law, you get pardon. Go figure!

You have kids SPD49? Think back to when you were a kid. There wasn't as many laws as there is today. An oh yes you had a lot more freedom and rights in those days, then you do today. Just think when your grand kids or great grand kids are around and you reminisce with them on the "old days" of when this country had more freedom and rights than they will have. Does it give you a hard on to know that you are a part of a corrupt government that did that to them?

[spd49]

Watcher,

Just for the record, Diop Kamau (then Don Jackson) was a Sergeant with the Hawthorne California Police Department. Read his biography on his site. He worked undercover, used informants and made many felony arrests. I have a great deal of respect for him both as a police officer and as a man. He has gone on to be an educator and community activist. He is not afraid to call a bad cop a bad cop. He is also not a cop hater. If he comes across a good cop he says so.

Mr. Kamau works to make the system better. In addition to his investigations, he provides training to police departments and serves as an expert witness in court. Instead of making foolish statements like police officers and their families should be killed, why don't you contact Mr. Kamau and try to help him change what you feel is wrong with the system? I guess it is just easier to say that the entire system is rotten and point out what's wrong.

When I look back at my career with my family, I'll be proud to say I was a cop. I have helped some people, saved some lives, put some bad people in prison and done it with honor and dignity. This is true of the vast majority of police officers in this country. Sure, there are bad cops out there that need to investigated and arrested. There are also good cops that make honest mistakes with horriffic consequences for themselves and others. Police officers are forced to make decisions in the blink of an eye that can be the difference between life and death for themselves and others. These decisions are scrutinized by their superiors, lawyers, judges and the public ( and rightfully so). What do you do for a living? What do you do for your community? Or do you just piss and moan about others and give nothing back? Looking forward to hearing your reply.

spd49

[WaTcHeR]

Here's some reading for you SPD49, at the link below. If I was you I don't think I would be all that proud to say that I work for and protect this group of people. Yet you choose to obey and do what your told to do from this group. Just remember when the shit hits the fan, there going to want you on the front line protecting their ass. Are you willing to go toe to toe against neighbors and friends?

Back to my original post, when the cops come around taking away guns or the rights of citizens, it will be time to start putting cops down. What do you SPD49 do when faced with a threat? You eliminate it, am I correct?

All cops are a threat to America!


http://policecrimes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=606&sid=e079993dda59196040761112fcf8c716

[maddogg1234]

I'm with you Watcher about not allowing cops to take our guns. I wouldn't allow it either, however I wouldn't kill a cop just to keep my weapon at that given moment, however a lawsuit would be great. When you say that "All cops are a threat to America!" you show your ignorance about how many good cops there are. Even if there is only one in America then your statement is not only ignorant but false as well.

[WaTcHeR]

I'm with you Watcher about not allowing cops to take our guns. I wouldn't allow it either, however I wouldn't kill a cop just to keep my weapon at that given moment, however a lawsuit would be great. When you say that "All cops are a threat to America!" you show your ignorance about how many good cops there are. Even if there is only one in America then your statement is not only ignorant but false as well.

Good cops? What is a good cop? Fuck police officers! I'd rather have "peace officers" any day of the week, over these fucker's that call themselves cops. Cops are servants to the state and nothing more. Police officers are suppose to be "public servants" and that just isn't the case today!

What do you consider a "good cop?"

As far as someone taking away your weapons, you said you "wouldn't" allow it. Yet you said you wouldn't kill someone either for taking away one of your constitutional rights. "It's a good thing you weren't around back when they were drafting the constitution." Just how would you prevent someone from taking something of yours, specially when they have guns and probable would use them on you?

The only lawsuit I would be involved in, "and that is if I lived," would be the "state" charging me for killing any cop that entered into my home without a warrant, with the intent to confiscate my weapons. There's not a jury in any state that would convict me!

[maddogg1234]

I'm with you Watcher about not allowing cops to take our guns. I wouldn't allow it either, however I wouldn't kill a cop just to keep my weapon at that given moment, however a lawsuit would be great. When you say that "All cops are a threat to America!" you show your ignorance about how many good cops there are. Even if there is only one in America then your statement is not only ignorant but false as well.

Good cops? What is a good cop? Fuck police officers! I'd rather have "peace officers" any day of the week, over these fucker's that call themselves cops. Cops are servants to the state and nothing more. Police officers are suppose to be "public servants" and that just isn't the case today!

What do you consider a "good cop?"

As far as someone taking away your weapons, you said you "wouldn't" allow it. Yet you said you wouldn't kill someone either for taking away one of your constitutional rights. "It's a good thing you weren't around back when they were drafting the constitution." Just how would you prevent someone from taking something of yours, specially when they have guns and probable would use them on you?

The only lawsuit I would be involved in, "and that is if I lived," would be the "state" charging me for killing any cop that entered into my home without a warrant, with the intent to confiscate my weapons. There's not a jury in any state that would convict me!

I know many good cops, in my family and friends as well. I know you hate all cops, that's until you need one then you probably love them.

[Ancap]

I'm with you Watcher about not allowing cops to take our guns. I wouldn't allow it either, however I wouldn't kill a cop just to keep my weapon at that given moment, however a lawsuit would be great. When you say that "All cops are a threat to America!" you show your ignorance about how many good cops there are. Even if there is only one in America then your statement is not only ignorant but false as well.

Good cops? What is a good cop? Fuck police officers! I'd rather have "peace officers" any day of the week, over these fucker's that call themselves cops. Cops are servants to the state and nothing more. Police officers are suppose to be "public servants" and that just isn't the case today!

What do you consider a "good cop?"

As far as someone taking away your weapons, you said you "wouldn't" allow it. Yet you said you wouldn't kill someone either for taking away one of your constitutional rights. "It's a good thing you weren't around back when they were drafting the constitution." Just how would you prevent someone from taking something of yours, specially when they have guns and probable would use them on you?

The only lawsuit I would be involved in, "and that is if I lived," would be the "state" charging me for killing any cop that entered into my home without a warrant, with the intent to confiscate my weapons. There's not a jury in any state that would convict me!

I know many good cops, in my family and friends as well. I know you hate all cops, that's until you need one then you probably love them.

Standard argument used by the people who support the police or are the police.

First off, the police are under no obligation to protect any individual. This is case law. Yet, the state has deemed it fit to limit, restrict or prohibit how one defends themselves and their property.

This being said, when a violent crime takes place, it is very rare the cops are actually on scene to protect the individual. Granted, the cops will probably show up after a person has already been violated, but that seems to be a bit late for me. It's even more ironic that the state tells the person to depend upon the police but the police are not even obligated to respond.

American society is set up under British laws in the respect that each person is responsible for their well-being and safety. If so, then why is society told again and again to depend upon the police for their well-being?

Warren .vs. The District of Columbia. I recommend you look this up and see how the courts ruled. Keep in mind, D.C. has an all-out gun-ban in effect, presumably to ensure that society remains safe. I'm sure in this case when the victims called and the police never showed up and they went through hours and hours of torture, rape and other abuse, they surely didn't love the police.

Most people who call the police do so after the fact. After the fact when they are now victims. The state has taken the power out of the persons hands but does not guarantee the peoples safety. Funny how that works, eh?

I don't like cops and I was law enforcement for five years. There is a reason I left the job. You won't see me calling the cops anytime soon for pretty much anything unless my insurance company requires a report form the police like say for an accident. Like when I hit a deer 2 1/2 years ago. My garage was broken into a few weeks ago and my $200 tent and $300 Craftsmen tool set was stolen. I didn't call the police because they wouldn't be able to do anything. On the other hand, I will find out who stole it and retribution will be paid ten-fold.

[WaTcHeR]

[/quote]I know many good cops, in my family and friends as well. I know you hate all cops, that's until you need one then you probably love them.[/quote]


I don't hate cops, I just don't trust them. Big difference!

No I've never called the cops for help. I've called them a couple of times "after the fact." That's all they are good for, if at that.

[WaTcHeR]

Warren .vs. The District of Columbia. I recommend you look this up and see how the courts ruled. Keep in mind, D.C. has an all-out gun-ban in effect, presumably to ensure that society remains safe. I'm sure in this case when the victims called and the police never showed up and they went through hours and hours of torture, rape and other abuse, they surely didn't love the police.

Most people who call the police do so after the fact. After the fact when they are now victims. The state has taken the power out of the persons hands but does not guarantee the peoples safety. Funny how that works, eh?

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http://www.policecrimes.com/policeprotection.html


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[spd49]

ANCAP,

Just a couple of questions for you, answer them if you want. Were you a full time police officer? What size agency did you work for? What were the circumstances of your leaving the job? Did you ever have a complaint filed against you? What do you do for a living now?

spd49

[Ancap]

Were you a full time police officer?

Yes. Patrol with the additional assignment of animal control.

What size agency did you work for?

Coercing a population of 12,000 persons. Agency was comprised of approximately 4 squads/4 man squads with Lt, Sgt and two officers. Detective division of four officers and a vice squad of 2 officers. Three reserve officers.

What were the circumstances of your leaving the job?

Political/philosophical change. It came to the point in which I considered myself to be a thief by:

1. Taking a paycheck derived of monies that were coerced from the citizenry.

2. Enforcing laws and writing citations resulting in monetary loss or loss of freedom for violations of the law that shouldn't have been in place from the start. I.e., seat belt violations, possession of marijuana, dog fighting and other "victimless" crimes.

3. Non-Aggression Principle which speaks for itself.

Did you ever have a complaint filed against you?

Yes. Warrantless search and it was a valid complaint. Rookie mistake by a rookie officer. An apology by me to the victim was sufficient to resolve the matter. And I had no problem making the apology as it was my screw-up and I was at fault.

What do you do for a living now?

Self-employed. Tree service and landscaping.

[spd49]

ANCAP,

If you don't mind me asking, what led to your philosophical change? How do you think the criminal justice system should be set up? As a former police officer with weapons training, I'm sure you can protect your family and property. What about those who are incapable of protecting themselves? Do you look back on your police service and have any proud memories? I know I'm kind of all over the place with the questions but I find your story interesting. As somebody who worked in policing, do you think most police officers enter the field with good intentions and try to do what they think is right? Hope to hear from you soon.

spd49

[WaTcHeR]

Self-employed. Tree service and landscaping.

Seems a lot of cops I personally know are getting into the landscaping and tree service business. It must be a nice change of pace after being a cop? All tho you probably put yourself at a higher job risk being in the tree service business, compared to being a cop?

ANCAP,

As a former police officer with weapons training, I'm sure you can protect your family and property. What about those who are incapable of protecting themselves?

spd49

Since police officers have no duty to "protect" someone, I'm curious spd49 to what people you are referring to that are "incapable of protecting themselves?"

[spd49]

Watcher,

Do you really think that all people are capable of protecting themselves?Tell that to a child who has been molested. Tell it to the elderly woman who has had her purse stolen and been knocked to the ground. Tell it to the teacher who has been threatened by gang members. I try to protect people every day. Unfortunately, the Police are not always able to stop the predators in this world. If a predator does evil than I go after them within the bounds of the law. If I get them, I've prevented them from victimizing another person.

spd49

[Ancap]

ANCAP,

If you don't mind me asking, what led to your philosophical change? How do you think the criminal justice system should be set up? As a former police officer with weapons training, I'm sure you can protect your family and property. What about those who are incapable of protecting themselves? Do you look back on your police service and have any proud memories? I know I'm kind of all over the place with the questions but I find your story interesting. As somebody who worked in policing, do you think most police officers enter the field with good intentions and try to do what they think is right? Hope to hear from you soon.

spd49

It's somewhat of a long drawn-out, maybe convoluted experience to explain. It probably started about a year to a year and a half before I left my position.

I've always been a little out there in regards to individualism. As a matter of fact, to quote my psychological profile before I was hired it stated "fiercely independent and not prone to following orders". I had a laugh at that since I served nine years in the U.S. Army prior to becoming law enforcement.

But what really started to dawn upon me was the state's constant and continual intervention and intrusion into a person's property rights and that person's non-aggressive actions. Take seat belts for example. Almost if not all the states have some sort of law mandating the use of seat belts. Why am I being told to wear a seat belt in my own personal vehicle. A vehicle that I bought and paid for with my own monies with no help from the state. I suppose an argument could be made that the highways belong to the state and the state imposes the rules upon said highways. I beg to differ as it was mine and yours and everybody else's tax dollars that paid for that highway. The State ("the state" meaning federal, state and local governments) forced those monies from sovereign individuals at the point of a gun. This is how the government stays in business. They put out no meaningful product and the products they do put out are subsidized by coerced monies.

Another defining moment was when I was investigating an animal cruelty case at small household breeding facility. Some might call it a "backyard breeder." After I issued the warning for failure to display rabies tags and some sanitary conditions (which weren't all that bad), I realized that I could've written a civil penalty for over $800 ($25 per dog per violation). All for somebody who wasn't displaying rabies tags on their dogs. Then I realized, why should I care what somebody does with their property as long as said property doesn't affect me or anybody else while it's on their property?

And finally the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. I was paged at 1 in the morning and a woman had seen two skunks in her yard and wanted them removed. Then another thing dawned on me, society as a whole has become to government dependent. Is it society's fault? To an extent but government is mostly to blame as government continues to tell society that the state will take care of them.

And what it comes down to ultimately is property rights and my inherent rights as an individual. Do I need a law to tell me that robbery, murder, rape, etc is wrong? No as they are acts of initiated aggression. This leads me to the #1 reason of why I left law enforcement. As an officer I was receiving monies for a salary, monies forced from the citizenry at the point of a gun and then I was ordered by the state to target the very people who paid my salary by taking more money from them through various declarations of law. This made me nothing more than a hired enforcer for an organized criminal syndicate known as the state. Just like the hired enforcer the mob utilizes in acquiring their monies through threat of force. At that point I considered myself a thief and it was time for me to move on and out of the job and that decision was so important to me that I left the position two months before I would've been vested.

The criminal justice system is a farce. If the state really had an interest in justice it would not plea bargain down. In addition, violations such as speeding, failure to wear a seat belt, DUI/DWI are all money-makers for the state. Pretty much all misdemeanors are cash-cows for the state and once again, those monies are forced out of the individuals, the very individuals that pay the agents salaries, at the point of a gun.

I would be much more agreeable with the criminal justice system if it wasn't so arbitrary and solely relied upon a lone person, the judge, to dispense justice. Let the state set the limits for the penalty then have the victim or the victim's family set the punishment for the crime within the parameters of the guidelines set forth by the state. Of course that would never happen as the state is all about control through coercion and they would never allow a person to be self-governing, regardless of the propaganda set forth by the state.

My weapons training is much more absolute than police training. As I mentioned earlier I was in the Army for 9 years and I've been a hunter, fisherman and trapper for most of my life. My experience in the area of weapons, explosives and combat tactics is extensive. Furthermore, I have experience in martial arts and bladed/blunt weapons. I can defend myself and my family at no notice.

As far as other people go, if they are incapable of defending themselves because they were to apathetic to train themselves or relied upon the state to protect them, then I have nothing but contempt for them. But as an Anarcho-Capitalist, people possess an inherent right to self-defense by whatever means are necessary. If an elderly person failed to secure the funds needed to protect himself later on in life then he should not be dependent upon somebody else to do it for him. But if he is dependent on somebody to perform the duty, then he should enter into a voluntary contract with a service providing said services. But the state has the monopoly on force racket going on and the state not only forces the monies from the hands of the elderly but goes one step further and does not guarantee that person's safety. Even though they took his money. This is similar to the protection rackets forced on business owners by the mob. Kinda eerie, eh?

While I look down with disdain upon the people who are capable of defending themselves but refuse to educate themselves on how to; I do hold a soft spot in my heart for children. And while the police and the state have stepped in admirably in some cases of child abuse, as a whole the system itself is a failure. I myself would not have a problem punishing a molestor by any method at the direction of the victim.

I am not proud of my career as a state thug. I'm rather ashamed to actually admit that I was a statist for a long time.

It takes a certain person, notice I wrote "certain" and not "special", to be a police officer. Those who are not Type A personalities, lean towards authoritative dictatorship would not make the type of cops that the state wants. Yes, I believe that some people enter in the police business with good intentions then they come to realize that they serve and only serve and protect the state and enforce the laws set forth by the state with the knowledge that the state will back them in almost any incident. This leads to corruption, deceit, dishonesty and power-trips. That is not me.

Watcher, when somebody mentions how cops put their lives on the line everyday, then they have never watched a person working my profession. There are jobs that are far more dangerous, which pay a lot less than a cop's salary, that don't include the fallacious title of "Hero"...not to mention the special protections that are granted by the state to it's agents.

[spd49]

Ancap,

Thanks for the honest and prompt response. I guess my perspective is just vastly different from yours. I work in a suburban Town bordered by two cities plagued by gang violence and the problems of crowded, urban living. I would like to hear your perspectives on two arrests I made recently.

We responded to a domestic call. The husband was a drunken, 200lb man that slapped around his 100lb wife. She had visible injuries to her face and arms. What was her recourse other than call the police? He fought with us when I went to arrest him. He was charged with Assault and Battery (Domestic) a misdemeanor, Assault and Battery on a Police Officer, another misdemeanor and Resisting Arrest, yet a third misdemeanor. All of these were valid charges and certainly not a way for the state to pick this guy's pocket.

A group of gang members were sitting on the porch to their three family home at 2am on a Wednesday morning. They were playing music, drinking and talking loudly. The vast majority of residents in the area have to go to work in the morning. These residents were afraid to confront these gang members. They called us. We responded once and told them to shut off the music and quiet down so people could sleep. They assured us that the party was over for the night. Fifteen minutes later, more calls about noise. Sure enough, three of them were still on the porch with music blaring and talking loudly. I arrested them for Disturbing the Peace, a misdemeanor.

What was the alternative? I take pride in making these arrests. In one case, I helped protect a person who could not defend herself against a violent, abusive man. In the second case, I helped some hard working folks get some sleep before a long day of work. All charges were misdemeanors. What will happen at court? Probably not a whole lot. That's not my problem or my fault. I helped give this woman a chance to get out of an abusive relationship. If she does not take this opportunity and goes back to this guy then that's on her. I'll continue to help her every time she asks for my help. In case 2, I helped some hard working citizens get the rest they deserve. If these gang members continue to screw around and break the law then they will face arrest every time until the courts decide to incarcerate them. My actions and the actions of my fellow officers were made to help citizens enjoy their rights to be safe in their own home and get a nights sleep not to make money for the Commonwealth. Hope to hear from you soon.

spd49

[Ancap]

We responded to a domestic call. The husband was a drunken, 200lb man that slapped around his 100lb wife. She had visible injuries to her face and arms. What was her recourse other than call the police? He fought with us when I went to arrest him. He was charged with Assault and Battery (Domestic) a misdemeanor, Assault and Battery on a Police Officer, another misdemeanor and Resisting Arrest, yet a third misdemeanor. All of these were valid charges and certainly not a way for the state to pick this guy's pocket.

SPD, you've allowed yourself to be stuck into this trap. There were other recourses available.

1. Leave, move out, end the relationship.

2. Self-defense through lethal methods during the act of aggression. A 100 pound female police officer could probably articulate very well that lethal force was justified when she was being assaulted by a 200 pound drunken man.

3. Wall to wall counseling by the woman's family may be in order. I've participated in such a practice in the past and it worked out very well as the husband has not raised a hand to my cousin since.

The woman most certainly could've defended herself against and abusive husband, she simply chose not too.

A group of gang members were sitting on the porch to their three family home at 2am on a Wednesday morning. They were playing music, drinking and talking loudly. The vast majority of residents in the area have to go to work in the morning. These residents were afraid to confront these gang members. They called us. We responded once and told them to shut off the music and quiet down so people could sleep. They assured us that the party was over for the night. Fifteen minutes later, more calls about noise. Sure enough, three of them were still on the porch with music blaring and talking loudly. I arrested them for Disturbing the Peace, a misdemeanor.

Once again, other options were available. Keep in mind my position that property rights are paramount unless what occurs on your property interferes with me and/or my property.

1. First step, neighbor goes over and asks the persons to turn down the noise as they are attempting to sleep. In most cases the noisemakers will do so. Sometimes just asking instead of calling the law works best as some people hold the law and it's supporters in contempt and will do just the opposite. Retribution by the arrested can be a pain as well.

2. If the first option fails, there is no problem with going tit for tat. I dealt with this in the past by a neighbor who played her rap music so loud it vibrated my apartment walls. She also did it when my six month old son was attempting to sleep. I had asked her to turn it down and received a big old "Fuck you" for my troubles. I turned to calling the police. She and her cronies would watch for the police and when she saw them driving down the street she would turn it down until they were gone. Then up it went again. I finally had enough and proceeded to hang my Kenwood speakers on the wall adjoining her apartment. When she started playing her music loud again, I threw in Pantera's "Fucking Hostile", cranked it up to max volume and sat back. Within two minutes she was pounding at my door screaming that I had knocked the picture frames off her wall. I stared at her like she had a penis growing out of her forehead and closed the door in her face. Problem settled as she never turned it up again while I was living there.

3. Civil suit with a lein on the property at the conclusion of the suit. Easy to explain that the disturbance caused by the music has disturbed my time and thereby caused my work to suffer. Time is money and I should be recompensed for my lost time.

4. If the noisemaker's residence is rented, complain to the landlord and in no uncertain terms explain to the landlord that if the noise does not cease a civil suit would be filed against the landlord for creating a nuisance that is violating my property rights. The landlord can take it from there.

5. Moving is an option as well.

Since the noisemakers are not making initiated acts of aggression that physically threaten me, my family or my property, retribution through acts of violence is not called for. If the people do not have enough courage to confront these three jokers and must rely upon the state, then I have no sympathy for them.


Now, what would you do in this case.

At the time my 11 year old son comes home and tells me that some guys down the street were shooting a BB or pellet gun at him while he was riding his bike and they hit him in the foot. No injuries or damages yet they were still shooting at him and did strike him.

I proceeded to lock and load my 30-30 rifle, throw it over my shoulder and walk with my son down to where he was shot and lo and behold there were 4 teenagers, one being over the age of 18 and they did have a BB gun in their possession. They see me, I look at them bouncing my rifle off my shoulder with my son standing beside me, I then turned around and walked back to my residence. They never shot at him or any of the neighbor kids again. Problem solved without any police intervention.

[spd49]

Ancap,

I think that your willingness to deal with physical confrontation has colored your ability to see from the perspective of the weak and defenseless. Why should the victim of the crime (battered woman) be forced to leave her home? I have no doubt that if she had resorted to deadly force (knife,bat) he simply would have taken it from her and she would have ended up dead. The woman happened to be from out of state and had no support system in the area except for the police. We solved the problem by making an arrest. In case 2, remember that these were gang members. The neighbors were afraid to confront them and ask them to be quiet. Once again, call the cops and the problem is solved (at least for the night).

Do you think that your response to the BB gun incident was a little extreme? What would you have done if those teenagers told you to go fuck yourself? Would deadly force have been warranted if they were stupid enough to engage you with their BB guns? Those kids certainly won't bother your son anymore. They might bother the kid whose dad doesn't have a rifle. They might bother the kid who doesn't have a dad. Call the cops and let them deal with these kids (talking to parents, summons to court or arrest)Not everyone in this world is able to defend themselves. Does this mean that they should be preyed upon by the criminals of this world? I don't think so. I take pride in helping people. I work for the citizens of my community and provide them with a very valuable service. The Town may sign my check but the people are my bosses.

Just another thought while I'm typing. I saw that you mentioned to Watcher that police work is not the most dangerous job in the world. Sure, other lines of work have a greater statistical chance of being killed i.e. pilots and lumberjacks. In my ten years as a cop I have been punched,kicked, spat upon,threatened with a knife, threatened with a gun, and injured myself in foot chases. There aren't too many lumberjacks that can say the same thing. Never mind the psychological beating that you can take responding to all types of incidents (deaths of people in car accidents, SIDS deaths etc.) Being a cop doesn't make you a hero. Being a cop makes you a person that sometimes sees the worst in humanity but you come back every day trying to make a difference and help out. Hope to hear from you soon.

spd49